Comments on: Retying Bales Part Two

By: Andrew Morrison

Andrew Morrison — Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:45:21 +0000

HI Jan. I used to sell the needles ready made, but the shipping became such a hassle that we stopped making them. They are expensive to ship and seemed to get lost in the mail a lot. Now we just sell the design so people can have them made up locally. This is especially important for folks overseas as shipping there was crazy expensive. Glad you got the knot!

By: Jan

Jan — Wed, 17 Mar 2010 03:43:36 +0000

Thanks, Andrew — I guess that explains why they didn’t know what I was talking about at Tractor Supply… they’re kind of like a huge crochet hook. Do you have a patent? Someone ought to make them up to sell — ready made. Thank God I finally figured out how to do the millers knot – I was about to have a hissy fit! Thanks again, Jan

By: Andrew Morrison

Andrew Morrison — Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:18:13 +0000

Hi Jan. It's called a bale needle and you can't buy them at any store I've ever heard of. You need to have them made. You'll want at least two for any reasonable size project. You can buy the plans for them by clicking here. Take the plans to a metal worker and you will have a set (or more) in a few days. I like to make mine out of stainless steel as that stops them from rusting. I also spray paint them hot pink so that they are easy to keep track of on the job site. Otherwise they end up a permanent artifact buried in the walls of the house!

By: Jan

Jan — Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:29:11 +0000

Andrew,
Me again – can you tell me where to get one of those straw needle tool things to send the baling twine through the bale?
Our Tractor Supply Store people don’t have a clue what I’m talking about. That’s the only type of store like that we have around here (Omaha, NE) Is there a name for the thing?
Thanks,
Jan

By: Jan

Jan — Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:33:41 +0000

Andrew —

I figured it out – there’s a little detail I was getting wrong which makes all the difference — when you bring the twine through to make the loop there are two places to bring it up — I was bringing it up through the wrong place — nevermind — I figured it out — knots are frustrating to learn from a video!!! I must have watched it 100 times — but now I know how — and this will come in very handy — I use straw about 1 flake at a time and the bale explodes when you cut it – now I can tie off the rest and use it 1/3 bale at a time! Now to find me one a them needle things…
Thanks for this website — very interesting info here.

Jan

By: Krista Morrison

Krista Morrison — Mon, 04 Jan 2010 05:09:15 +0000

Hey Andrew,

Just watched your Building with Straw Bales (Post and Beam) video. You don’t retie the bales in this video. Is retying a new technique or only used for load-bearing? Just wondering if retying is common for both load-bearing and post and beam. Thanks!

By: Andrew

Andrew — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:25:46 +0000

Sonia,
The bale density varies depending on the field baling methods and machinery. I use bales that are at least 7 pounds per cubic foot in density, but that all changes on each batch of bales and must be checked on the job site prior to construction. My engineer uses a number of 40 psi for engineering design purposes; however, that is a different number than the actual density of the bales. I hope this helps.

By: Sonia

Sonia — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 03:22:22 +0000

I am wondering, what is the PSI of those bales? Before they are retied and after, also when they are already
ensamble in the frame and re-strengten with the needle?

I am not a buirlder and I have purchased severalp DVDs
and one Book and nobody addresses this issue.

I was asked this question by an Engeneer who is going to
design my home.

If this question is dumb excuse me, as I said above I am trying to learn and this individual hasn’t even seen the DVDs neither the book.

So if he doesn’t know what he is talking about neither do I.

You are the expert, if there is an answer enlighten us.

I thank you,

smc

By: Andrew

Andrew — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:59:26 +0000

Teri,
I am sorry I did not post this or respond earlier. It got tied up in my blog filters. The knot is really strong and holds tension really well. If you use strong twine like “super blue” you can pull the bales really tight with this knot which makes the bales more dense and easier to work with.

By: Teri

Teri — Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:54:50 +0000

I am new to this concept of straw bale building and was watching you tie the Milers knot. Why is this important and how does it make the bails stronger?